Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Interesting Quinnipiac Poll Results

Sorry to bring this up again. Hopefully this will put an end to the whole "not a dime back" saga:

University of Connecticut men’s basketball coach Jim Calhoun scores a slam dunk as Connecticut residents say 61 – 30 percent that he should keep all of his $1.6 million salary, rather than donate a portion to help with the state’s economic problems, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. (From March 3 – 8, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,335 Connecticut adults with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points).

By a 68 – 12 percent margin, Connecticut residents have a favorable opinion of Calhoun, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

His salary is “about right,” 48 percent say, while 43 percent say it is “too much.”

A total of 69 percent of Connecticut residents heard or read “a lot” or “some” about Calhoun’s response to a question about his salary asked at a recent press conference. Of that group, 51 percent approve of the way the coach answered the question, while 43 percent disapprove.

Those who know about the press conference say 80 – 16 percent that Calhoun should not be disciplined for the way he answered the question.

When asked if they are fans of UCONN’s men’s basketball team, 54 percent of Connecticut residents say yes.

Now, Nutmeg Staters (I just moved here about eight months ago, so I'm still new to this), you're going to have to explain this to me:

But in an open-ended question, where respondents can give any answer, Connecticut residents were asked: What is your favorite Connecticut-based sports team. Results are:
· 29 percent for UCONN’s women’s basketball team;
· 22 percent for UCONN’s men’s basketball team;
· 3 percent for UCONN football.

Men go with the men’s team over the women’s team 28 – 21 percent, while women back the women’s team 36 – 16 percent.

Gotta admit, I can't wrap my head around this one. I've never quite understood the attraction of women's basketball here in Connecticut ... or anywhere, for that matter. I know the team is as dominant as any women's team has ever been this year, but seriously ... women's basketball? Unwatchable, in my book. Why would I want to watch basketball played at a level no better than what I could watch in a decent local men's recreational league?

Seriously -- I hear women's basketball fans say thing like: "The men might dunk, but the 'girls' play the game the way it's supposed to be played. There's more teamwork, better passing, they hit their free throws," blah, blah, blah. Please.

Ever watch A.J. Price play? Levance Fields? Blake Griffin? Jonny Flynn? The skills at the men's level are so much better, it's not even worth discussing. And the athleticism ... come on. Do I need to see dunking? Well, yeah ... it's exciting to see Stanley Robinson throw down an alley-oop slam off a pinpoint pass from Price. It's nice to see the game played at a level I could never dream of playing at, rather than a level I used to play at in high school. (Yes, I'm of the opinion that a good high school boys basketball team could beat a good women's college team at least more times than it loses).

Ahh, had to get that off my chest. Sorry, the whole thing just boggles my mind. Bring on the hate mail.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Couldnt agree more with your'e womens basketball comments. They beat the #5 team by 40 pts, not to mention they get to play the conference tournament on their home court. Womens basketball is a JOKE. I'm from CT and went to Uconn, and I still think its a joke by the way.

11:49 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Spurs are the NBA equivalent of a woman's basketball team, they do fine. Also, your confusing being good and looking good. It doesn't have to look pretty (like a dunk) it just has to go in.

1:15 PM 
Anonymous NH UCONN FAN said...

I generally agree with you, however I think you need to differentiate between top level women's basketball (Uconn, Tenn, Marlyand.....) and your run of the mill women's program.

I grew up in New Haven and had the privilege of Wilbur Cross and Hillhouse boys basketball (Go Governors) and there is no way in hell that those teams would have been able to beat the present Uconn women's team. At least not on a day to day basis.

I still agree with you that Mens and Women's basketball are two different animals. I have the same issue with mens vs women's soccer. It amazes me why the average american cant understand how much easier it is to win a womens world cup then it is mens world cup. I think the same principle applies to college basketball.

I also find mens sports much more entertaining and those people who think that women's teams play the game the way it "supposed" to be played are stuck in some sort of senile quagmire. Personally I think they are the same people who post ignorant things about how uconn players are thugs, cheats and criminals on articles everytime something goes wrong. (Realistically they are closet racists)

All that said as a proud child of CT I am happy to have the Uconn women be one of the premier programs in the nation.

1:41 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It may have to just go in for the team to win, but it has to look pretty for it to be exciting to watch, and women's basketball is not. Sure' I'll root for the women's team but I tried watching last night I couldn't take more than five minutes of it. The things that make basketball exciting (dunks, athletic drives to the basket, the showmanship of some of the baskets, etc.) are just not a part of women's basketball. It's a boring sport to watch and that's why no one really cares about what is one of the most dominant teams in sports history.

2:34 PM 
Blogger David Borges said...

It's not just the dunking. It's the great athleticism of a soaring reverse layup, the incredible speed of a Ty Lawson or a Kemba Walker, the body-banging battles in the paint of DeJuan Blair and Hasheem Thabeet.

And I would venture to say that if you collected the best 10 high school boys basketball players in Connecticut, they could beat the UConn women. You're talking about kids who can run and dunk, some of whom are 6-9 or 6-6 and ultra-quick and athletic. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

2:58 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of the top five or ten high school teams, Tilton just won the high school national championship behind Alex Oriakhi and Jamaal Coombs (named tournament MVP), hopefully they get a national championship next year as well.

3:22 PM 
Blogger Ethan said...

I am not sure if you ever actually play recreational basketball. Probably not. But those guys could barely score against the UConn women. A HS all-star team? Okay, they would probably beat UConn, but a run-of-the-mill HS team would get tossed. I don't watch the women. I find it boring, but be realistic. Some of those girls can ball.

11:17 PM 
Anonymous NH UCONN FAN said...

There is a big difference between a boys high school team and an all start team. Last years all state team (courant)had Allen Chaney - Florida, Nick Greenbacker -Sacred Heart, Ryan Olander - Fairfield, Adrian Satchell-UMBC, Jordan Williams- Maryland, B.J. Monteiro - Duquesne and Tevin Baskin who could go to either a top A-10 team or a mid level big east team.

So basically what your trying to say is a mid level mens college team would beat the uconn women?

2:26 AM 
Blogger David Borges said...

My original point was simply to ask why anyone would choose to watch women's basketball over men's basketball. I don't understand it. If we're even discussing boys high school players as being better than one of the greatest women's collegiate teams of all-time, I think that sort of makes my point.

Would love to hear from people who prefer women's hoops, and why they do.

9:22 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went to high school with both all-state Nick Greenbacker and Mike Auriemma. Both would have thier nuts handed to them in games against the Uconn women. Both Greenbacker and Auriemma started in the LL championship game for two years in a row, yet they still wouldn't be able to compete.

3:44 PM 
Blogger Todd Parmelee said...

Oh Dave . . . you can not write this stuff in Connecticut. Maya Moore is one hell of a player.
My biggest gripe has always been about the disparity in talent in women's basketball. There have been years where the UConn women won every game by 30 . . . how is that interesting?

5:15 PM 
Anonymous Linkster said...

I find it impossible to understand why you watch NCAA basketball when not one of the teams could beat an average NBA team. The skill set and athleticism is on a completely different level and in the NBA you have talent on the bench that starred in college. It is so boring with those zone defenses and I like to watch real dunking, not that BS that we see in college.
Sorry but I had to get that off my chest.

8:03 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well-said, Linkster.

Guys like Mr.Borges probably think today's MCB can compare to that of 25 years ago, when teams could play together for 3-4 years and really become great.

No one cares whether or not you like WCB, Dave. No big deal. To each his own.

Oh look, WV is beating Pitt by 12 in the BET. Gotta go.

8:47 PM 
Anonymous UConn2000 said...

David, I don't know why you would arrive here in CT and eight months later demean women's college basketball. No less than John Wooden, arguably the greatest coach in collegiate basketball history, has been quoted as admiring the women's game. He refers to it as "the pure game". By that he means it is played under the rim with strategy, teamwork and good passing, not merely individual athleticism. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine. I see no reason, however, for you to publicly make fun of it. You have made a big mistake and please don't refer to critical comments like mine as hate mail. I am trying to respond in a reasoned, objective manner.

10:00 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David, I love basketball. Yes, the women's game is a different game. A different game. But its basketball. Don't compare. No one has ever said that the women were better than men. But some of us enjoy watching basketball, regardless of gender. Its about the love for the game.

10:15 PM 
Blogger David Borges said...

I see I've touched off a firestorm here. Didn't mean to. Just questioned why more people would enjoy women's basketball than men's, as the poll indicated. I probably could have handled it a little more sensitively -- or simply not even brought the subject up in the first place. My bad. You live, you learn.

10:30 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think touching off a firestorm was exactly what you were trying to do. Hopefully, you don't last long covering college sports in CT, perhaps you'll get shifted to covering high school girls basketball, that would be karma for ya'. I prefer watching a basketball game where there is some strategy going on, with crisp passing and backdoor cuts, not just lob into the air so someone can dunk it. And I think a good high school boys team wouldn't have an easy time of it against the UConn woman. If you actually watched their games, you might realize that. But I digress, because really all you were trying to do with this post was make a name for yourself.

11:06 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not a question of "sensitivity", Dave. It's more a question of arrogance. It's like the owner of a Ferrari looking down his nose at the guy who enjoys driving his Beetle ragtop.

"Certainly you realize your little car could never beat my powerful car in a race! How could POSSIBLY enjoy it? Mine goes so much faster".

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. :0)

1:33 AM 
Blogger Gene Callahan said...

"I grew up in New Haven and had the privilege of Wilbur Cross and Hillhouse boys basketball (Go Governors) and there is no way in hell that those teams would have been able to beat the present Uconn women's team."

Wrong. Any good Boys HS team would crush them. The women would get outrebounded like 60-5.

1:59 PM 
Blogger TJ said...

Why b/c Thabeet picks and chooses which games he wants to play BIG in and Maya plays HARD and comes up BIG in EVERY game...

You all keep watching the men LOSE and I'll keep watching the women WIN...

Enough Said!!!

4:52 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would anyone waste his time watching "student athletes" who have essentially no interest in education but come to Connecticut as a stop along the road to the NBA? And why would Mr. Borges denigrate women who attend the university with the explicit intention to play basketball and to become educated and articulate human beings? Indeed, if Mr. Borges' testosterone - based logic (and I use that word advisedly) were to control, then women's athletics would return to the pre-Title IX days. The thought of a return to gender inequality may appeal to Mr. Borges. Don't hold your breath!

5:16 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To each his or her own. You don't have to get it or "wrap your head" around it.

I faithfully watch the UConn women and enjoy every minute of it - the way they play is a simple beauty.

I do not watch the UConn men. I find men's college basketball unwatchable. I don't need the "excitement" of slam dunks. I prefer to support a team of STUDENT athletes. The women are students who get good grades. The men, with few exceptions like Emeka Okafor, are poor students who are just marking time before they enter the draft. Why waste our time (and state taxes)? Just go for the "league" straight out of high school.

7:18 PM 
Anonymous The One and Only Ridor said...

I'm a fan of collegiate women's basketball. Get this, I'm not fan of WNBA. And I'm not a fan of UConn Women's Basketball team. IN fact, I really cannot stand UConn Huskies -- in my opinion, UConn kept on piling their roster with high school All-Americans year in and out really hindered the parity of the collegiate women's basketball sport across the country.

I feel UConn Huskies is not promoting the sport to the next level -- it basically hinders the progress of the sport.

Not only that, I find UCOnn Huskies games to be boring by a mile. IN fact, I'd watch Dartmouth women's basketball games over UConn anyday.

I should mention that there are more senior citizens attending the women's basketball games than men's basketball games. I wonder why ...


9:38 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By your own logic, you should never watch men's college basketball when you could be watching the pros, no?

9:51 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with one Anonymous poster: UCONN's mens program is just a stepping stone to the NBA and the taxpayers are funding it. I won't watch hoodlums and thugs play the game. The women play with as a "team"; the men, well there is no "I" in team, it's all about Me,Me,Me. Thabeet shows up when needed, otherwise, he is mediocre at best. Send him to the NBA, there will be another thug to take his place, as well as the rest who decide to leave. It's all about money in the mens game anyways. So you watch the men, follow their careers in the NBA; we will watch the women graduate and move on to real life with an education and a job. They are worthy to say they are a UCONN graduate!

8:28 AM 
Blogger David Borges said...

Good to see it's perfectly acceptable (for many) to label men's basketball players as "thugs" and "hoodlums" who could care less about school. But God forbid anyone say anything negative about the women's team and you're some sort of sexist ogre.

I don't like hockey, either. Does that make me anti-Canadian?

But I digress Some good points were made here, and some bad ones. Appreciate hearing everyone's opinion and input.

10:31 AM 
Anonymous The One and Only Ridor said...

It is quite amusing to see anonymous posters attacking David with lines like "They're good student-athletes!"

Whatever works for them.


11:53 AM 
Anonymous UConn2000 said...

David, you may not like hockey, but you did not belittle it. You mocked women's basketball. If you simply questioned why it is so popular, that would have been fine. Making fun of it with your references to boys high school basketball and a local recreational league, however, crossed the line. One can question something without mocking it. This is why your blog makes you look like a chauvinist.

12:28 PM 
Blogger David Borges said...

Fair point, UConn 2000.

2:31 PM 

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